On this episode of “Deseret Voices,” host McKay Coppins is joined by political strategist and publisher of The Bulwark, Sarah Longwell, whose countless hours holding voter focus groups have given her an unparalleled insight into the mind of everyday Americans. 

As a lifelong Republican, Sarah has navigated the complex world of political strategy and emerged as a leading voice in anti-Trump conservatism. Her research provides a fascinating perspective on how the Trump era has reshaped the conservative movement as well as American politics. 

This episode examines the evolving definition of conservatism in America, the future of the GOP and what Democrats need to do to attract swing voters.

“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the Deseret Voices podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time. 

“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts. 

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